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		<title>Comment on &#8220;On&#8221; Line? When did that happen? by Jason Lefkowitz</title>
		<link>http://www.sfsmith.com/blog/2008/11/04/on-line-when-did-that-happen/#comment-2377</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Lefkowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 02:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's not a liberal thing, it's a northeastern thing. New Yorkers and New Englanders say "standing on line".</description>
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		<title>Comment on If Your Regulation Can&#8217;t Handle Greed, UR DOIN IT WRONG by Jason Lefkowitz</title>
		<link>http://www.sfsmith.com/blog/2008/10/07/if-your-regulation-cant-handle-greed-ur-doin-it-wrong/#comment-2332</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Lefkowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 17:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I don’t think anybody is arguing that “massive deregulation” has been a characteristic of European financial policy, especially on the continent, in the last decade.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not &lt;i&gt;de jure&lt;/i&gt; deregulation a la the US, but &lt;i&gt;de facto&lt;/i&gt; deregulation due to the growth of the regulated companies beyond the ability of the regulatory infrastructure to deal with them. The European economy is massively more integrated today than it was when Maastricht passed in 1993, but the regulatory clock effectively stopped then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I don’t think anybody is arguing that “massive deregulation” has been a characteristic of European financial policy, especially on the continent, in the last decade.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not <i>de jure</i> deregulation a la the US, but <i>de facto</i> deregulation due to the growth of the regulated companies beyond the ability of the regulatory infrastructure to deal with them. The European economy is massively more integrated today than it was when Maastricht passed in 1993, but the regulatory clock effectively stopped then.</p>
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		<title>Comment on If Your Regulation Can&#8217;t Handle Greed, UR DOIN IT WRONG by Sandy</title>
		<link>http://www.sfsmith.com/blog/2008/10/07/if-your-regulation-cant-handle-greed-ur-doin-it-wrong/#comment-2331</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 16:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The lack of EU-level regulations (for some aspects of finance, not others) has made it tougher for Europe to display a coordinated show of &lt;del&gt;French&lt;/del&gt; "European" values in responding to the crisis, but it has nothing to do with how they got there in the first place. Europe has modeled itself the home of moral capitalism, and &lt;a href="http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/25/rhineland-capitalism-1-liberal-market-capitalism-0/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Euroenvy in this country has agreed&lt;/a&gt;.

I don't think anybody is arguing that "massive deregulation" has been a characteristic of European financial policy, especially on the continent, in the last decade. Yet they are under the same crisis, which suggests it might be something we have in common, such as a very easy money policy that made borrowing more attractive than investing in the wake of the tech bubble and 9/11.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The lack of EU-level regulations (for some aspects of finance, not others) has made it tougher for Europe to display a coordinated show of <del>French</del> &#8220;European&#8221; values in responding to the crisis, but it has nothing to do with how they got there in the first place. Europe has modeled itself the home of moral capitalism, and <a href="http://crookedtimber.org/2008/03/25/rhineland-capitalism-1-liberal-market-capitalism-0/" rel="nofollow">Euroenvy in this country has agreed</a>.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think anybody is arguing that &#8220;massive deregulation&#8221; has been a characteristic of European financial policy, especially on the continent, in the last decade. Yet they are under the same crisis, which suggests it might be something we have in common, such as a very easy money policy that made borrowing more attractive than investing in the wake of the tech bubble and 9/11.</p>
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		<title>Comment on If Your Regulation Can&#8217;t Handle Greed, UR DOIN IT WRONG by Jason Lefkowitz</title>
		<link>http://www.sfsmith.com/blog/2008/10/07/if-your-regulation-cant-handle-greed-ur-doin-it-wrong/#comment-2330</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Lefkowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know it's cool to hate on Europe as some kind of 1984 statist nightmare, but because Europe lacks a federal government, their financial regulations are actually more spotty and less consistently enforced than are those in the U.S. In this case, "more regulation" does not equal "more like Europe".

Individual EU member states have their own regulations, but &lt;a href="http://www.forbes.com/home/2008/10/02/eu-banks-iosc-cx_1003oxford.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;there's no regulatory framework to manage institutions big enough to cross borders&lt;/a&gt; -- a dire omission considering how large financial services companies have grown in the modern era.

Theoretically the EU can coordinate member states' responses to a crisis, but in real life &lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/08/business/worldbusiness/08europe.html?hp" rel="nofollow"&gt;they're constrained by the need to operate by consensus&lt;/a&gt;, which makes it nearly impossible to get anything done in an expeditious manner. 

That leads to &lt;a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialcrisis/3111122/Financial-crisis-Irelands-banks-are-rescued.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;states taking actions on their own which may help their own interests at the expense of other EU members&lt;/a&gt; -- like Ireland, whose move to implement generous deposit guarantees to ensure confidence in Irish banks &lt;a href="http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/10/01/business/EU-Britain-Ireland-Deposit-Guarantee.php" rel="nofollow"&gt;has ended up deepening the crisis in Britain&lt;/a&gt; as depositors transfer their cash to 'safer' Irish banks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know it&#8217;s cool to hate on Europe as some kind of 1984 statist nightmare, but because Europe lacks a federal government, their financial regulations are actually more spotty and less consistently enforced than are those in the U.S. In this case, &#8220;more regulation&#8221; does not equal &#8220;more like Europe&#8221;.</p>
<p>Individual EU member states have their own regulations, but <a href="http://www.forbes.com/home/2008/10/02/eu-banks-iosc-cx_1003oxford.html" rel="nofollow">there&#8217;s no regulatory framework to manage institutions big enough to cross borders</a> &#8212; a dire omission considering how large financial services companies have grown in the modern era.</p>
<p>Theoretically the EU can coordinate member states&#8217; responses to a crisis, but in real life <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/08/business/worldbusiness/08europe.html?hp" rel="nofollow">they&#8217;re constrained by the need to operate by consensus</a>, which makes it nearly impossible to get anything done in an expeditious manner. </p>
<p>That leads to <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialcrisis/3111122/Financial-crisis-Irelands-banks-are-rescued.html" rel="nofollow">states taking actions on their own which may help their own interests at the expense of other EU members</a> &#8212; like Ireland, whose move to implement generous deposit guarantees to ensure confidence in Irish banks <a href="http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/10/01/business/EU-Britain-Ireland-Deposit-Guarantee.php" rel="nofollow">has ended up deepening the crisis in Britain</a> as depositors transfer their cash to &#8217;safer&#8217; Irish banks.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Take It From Me: The Idiot by Oscar M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oscar M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 04:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes, I feel like my work from home is a scam :)</description>
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		<title>Comment on Good Thing, Bad Thing About the First Presidential Debate by lunchstealer</title>
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		<dc:creator>lunchstealer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and don't forget that steel tariffs pushed up the price of domestic automobiles.  Add to that the fact that they suck and have sucked for a long time, and it's easy to see why they're shedding jobs like it's nobody's business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and don&#8217;t forget that steel tariffs pushed up the price of domestic automobiles.  Add to that the fact that they suck and have sucked for a long time, and it&#8217;s easy to see why they&#8217;re shedding jobs like it&#8217;s nobody&#8217;s business.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Good Thing, Bad Thing About the First Presidential Debate by lunchstealer</title>
		<link>http://www.sfsmith.com/blog/2008/09/26/good-thing-bad-thing-about-the-first-presidential-debate/#comment-2299</link>
		<dc:creator>lunchstealer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's true that Michigan, Ohio, Illinois, and Indiana are hard-hit by the foreclosure crisis, but that doesn't mean that it can be directly linked to trade policies.  Indeed, the numbers seem to contradict that idea.  4 of the top 5 states by &lt;a href="http://realestate.msn.com/buying/article2.aspx?cp-documentid=6119868" rel="nofollow"&gt;foreclosures for 2007 (by proportion of total households)&lt;/a&gt; were Sun-belt states with a low proportion of manufacturing jobs.  Several manufacturing-heavy states are in the bottom half of the list, including New York, Massachussets, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.

I'm sure there's a trade-policy signal in this, but it's going to be smaller than the problems caused by massive over-valuation of property, the plummeting dollar (in turn caused by massive government spending, both domestic and in Iraq), and the over-investment in home ownership (caused mostly by byzantine tax policies).  

In point of fact, my previous financial advisor (whom I was largely unimpressed by and who is no longer in business) told me when discussing the possibility of buying a house "don't put any money down, and get the most house you can afford, because mortgage money is the cheapest money out there."  No-money down and largest-possible is pretty much the definition of sub-prime.  Her reasoning for this was to shelter as much money as possible from taxation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s true that Michigan, Ohio, Illinois, and Indiana are hard-hit by the foreclosure crisis, but that doesn&#8217;t mean that it can be directly linked to trade policies.  Indeed, the numbers seem to contradict that idea.  4 of the top 5 states by <a href="http://realestate.msn.com/buying/article2.aspx?cp-documentid=6119868" rel="nofollow">foreclosures for 2007 (by proportion of total households)</a> were Sun-belt states with a low proportion of manufacturing jobs.  Several manufacturing-heavy states are in the bottom half of the list, including New York, Massachussets, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s a trade-policy signal in this, but it&#8217;s going to be smaller than the problems caused by massive over-valuation of property, the plummeting dollar (in turn caused by massive government spending, both domestic and in Iraq), and the over-investment in home ownership (caused mostly by byzantine tax policies).  </p>
<p>In point of fact, my previous financial advisor (whom I was largely unimpressed by and who is no longer in business) told me when discussing the possibility of buying a house &#8220;don&#8217;t put any money down, and get the most house you can afford, because mortgage money is the cheapest money out there.&#8221;  No-money down and largest-possible is pretty much the definition of sub-prime.  Her reasoning for this was to shelter as much money as possible from taxation.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Good Thing, Bad Thing About the First Presidential Debate by Sandy</title>
		<link>http://www.sfsmith.com/blog/2008/09/26/good-thing-bad-thing-about-the-first-presidential-debate/#comment-2298</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think in Detroit they have a couple of problems. The biggest one pushing houses down to a dollar is undoubtedly &lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/25/us/24cnd-detroit.html?em&#038;ex=1206590400&#038;en=d588e22fe6a88467&#038;ei=5087%0A" rel="nofollow"&gt;this guy&lt;/a&gt;, though his relationship to international trade policy goes back to the administration of George...Washington.

The second is that after the VREs of the 80s and the tariffs of the 70s and the cheap oil of the 90s and the hidebound management of, well, all that time, Detroit makes crappy cars nobody wants. I'm not sure what government policies can fix that. A bailout (oh yes, they want one too) will just postpone the inevitable.

It has a third problem, in which it's located in Michigan, not Ohio, so it really doesn't have much to do with Ohio foreclosures.

"No, they should spend time proportionally to the degree to which their jobs have fled to a particular country. Which is why the country that most people talk about these days isn’t Canada, Ireland, or Mexico, it’s China."

Um, no, the countries they've lost most of their jobs to are Alabama, Louisiana, Tennessee, and Kentucky. And also Canada, where there are huge auto plants right across the international boundary. But if one imaginary line like the Brown People Line (I mean, uh, US-Mexican border) or the Yellow Peril Line (aka International Date Line) matters, then surely there's no reason not to get upset over the Ohio-Kentucky line or the lines that separate Ohio from all the Southeastern states. If your zero-sum view of economics is correct, Ohio should secede and tax out-of-Ohio goods in order to create support for local businesses.

But hey, we're on the heels of a massive financial crisis coupled with a stock market crash, why not go for the trifecta and reenact &lt;a href="http://future.state.gov/when/timeline/1921_timeline/smoot_tariff.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Smoot-Hawley&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think in Detroit they have a couple of problems. The biggest one pushing houses down to a dollar is undoubtedly <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/25/us/24cnd-detroit.html?em&#038;ex=1206590400&#038;en=d588e22fe6a88467&#038;ei=5087%0A" rel="nofollow">this guy</a>, though his relationship to international trade policy goes back to the administration of George&#8230;Washington.</p>
<p>The second is that after the VREs of the 80s and the tariffs of the 70s and the cheap oil of the 90s and the hidebound management of, well, all that time, Detroit makes crappy cars nobody wants. I&#8217;m not sure what government policies can fix that. A bailout (oh yes, they want one too) will just postpone the inevitable.</p>
<p>It has a third problem, in which it&#8217;s located in Michigan, not Ohio, so it really doesn&#8217;t have much to do with Ohio foreclosures.</p>
<p>&#8220;No, they should spend time proportionally to the degree to which their jobs have fled to a particular country. Which is why the country that most people talk about these days isn’t Canada, Ireland, or Mexico, it’s China.&#8221;</p>
<p>Um, no, the countries they&#8217;ve lost most of their jobs to are Alabama, Louisiana, Tennessee, and Kentucky. And also Canada, where there are huge auto plants right across the international boundary. But if one imaginary line like the Brown People Line (I mean, uh, US-Mexican border) or the Yellow Peril Line (aka International Date Line) matters, then surely there&#8217;s no reason not to get upset over the Ohio-Kentucky line or the lines that separate Ohio from all the Southeastern states. If your zero-sum view of economics is correct, Ohio should secede and tax out-of-Ohio goods in order to create support for local businesses.</p>
<p>But hey, we&#8217;re on the heels of a massive financial crisis coupled with a stock market crash, why not go for the trifecta and reenact <a href="http://future.state.gov/when/timeline/1921_timeline/smoot_tariff.html" rel="nofollow">Smoot-Hawley</a>.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Recent Faves Tagged With "disintermediation" : MyNetFaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 08:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Good Thing, Bad Thing About the First Presidential Debate by Jason Lefkowitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Lefkowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 10:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"The mortgage crisis is caused by freer trade? Here I thought it was an asset price bubble."

Nobody was building luxury condos in Detroit, where &lt;a href="http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080813/METRO/808130360" rel="nofollow"&gt;you can buy a house for a dollar&lt;/a&gt;. 

"As for manufacturing, George W. Bush put illegal tariffs on steel while Clinton was a truer champion of free trade than McCain."

That's true. To pass NAFTA, Clinton promised a lot of things -- labor and environmental standards for trade, retraining for affected workers, etc -- none of which ever came to pass. 

"As I recall, the Nineties were pretty good for jobs."

&lt;a href="http://www.lbo.state.oh.us/fiscal/publications/biennial/ohiofacts/DEC2002/OhiosEconomy.pdf" rel="nofollow"&gt;Not everywhere.&lt;/a&gt;

"As for racism, if trade opponents don’t want to be perceived as racist, they should spend as much time complaining about Canadians and Irish taking their jarbs as Mexicans."

No, they should spend time proportionally to the degree to which their jobs have fled to a particular country. Which is why the country that most people talk about these days isn't Canada, Ireland, or Mexico, it's China.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The mortgage crisis is caused by freer trade? Here I thought it was an asset price bubble.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nobody was building luxury condos in Detroit, where <a href="http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080813/METRO/808130360" rel="nofollow">you can buy a house for a dollar</a>. </p>
<p>&#8220;As for manufacturing, George W. Bush put illegal tariffs on steel while Clinton was a truer champion of free trade than McCain.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s true. To pass NAFTA, Clinton promised a lot of things &#8212; labor and environmental standards for trade, retraining for affected workers, etc &#8212; none of which ever came to pass. </p>
<p>&#8220;As I recall, the Nineties were pretty good for jobs.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.lbo.state.oh.us/fiscal/publications/biennial/ohiofacts/DEC2002/OhiosEconomy.pdf" rel="nofollow">Not everywhere.</a></p>
<p>&#8220;As for racism, if trade opponents don’t want to be perceived as racist, they should spend as much time complaining about Canadians and Irish taking their jarbs as Mexicans.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, they should spend time proportionally to the degree to which their jobs have fled to a particular country. Which is why the country that most people talk about these days isn&#8217;t Canada, Ireland, or Mexico, it&#8217;s China.</p>
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