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	<title>Comments on: Howard Dean is a Spammer</title>
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		<title>By: Reid Conti</title>
		<link>http://www.sfsmith.com/blog/2004/09/22/howard-dean-is-a-spammer/#comment-462</link>
		<dc:creator>Reid Conti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm having the exact same problem.  It has refused to let me unsubscribe after 5+ tries.  For god's sake this is annoying.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m having the exact same problem.  It has refused to let me unsubscribe after 5+ tries.  For god&#8217;s sake this is annoying.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
		<link>http://www.sfsmith.com/blog/2004/09/22/howard-dean-is-a-spammer/#comment-461</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2004 00:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unsubscribe, Web-based contact form, and e-mail.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unsubscribe, Web-based contact form, and e-mail.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Lefkowitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Lefkowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2004 22:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which three venues of contact -- e-mail, e-mail, and e-mail?  :-)

Seriously, do you have any idea how much inbound e-mail they are on the receiving end of?  My list has 170,000+ people on it and we get so much mail every day that it's a huge challenge to filter out the valid stuff from the tidal waves of spam.  We do our best, but I'm sure we miss a few.  I imagine that DFA (which is a much more high profile target) has the same problem to a much higher degree.

That's why I suggested breaking out of e-mail and using the phone -- e-mails can get lost (especially when they go to a general mailbox, rather than a specific person), but phone calls can't.

I agree that their system is borked, but they can't fix it if they don't know about it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which three venues of contact &#8212; e-mail, e-mail, and e-mail?  :-)</p>
<p>Seriously, do you have any idea how much inbound e-mail they are on the receiving end of?  My list has 170,000+ people on it and we get so much mail every day that it&#8217;s a huge challenge to filter out the valid stuff from the tidal waves of spam.  We do our best, but I&#8217;m sure we miss a few.  I imagine that DFA (which is a much more high profile target) has the same problem to a much higher degree.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I suggested breaking out of e-mail and using the phone &#8212; e-mails can get lost (especially when they go to a general mailbox, rather than a specific person), but phone calls can&#8217;t.</p>
<p>I agree that their system is borked, but they can&#8217;t fix it if they don&#8217;t know about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.sfsmith.com/blog/2004/09/22/howard-dean-is-a-spammer/#comment-459</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2004 21:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd be more amenable to that if I hadn't tried three venues of contact previously.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d be more amenable to that if I hadn&#8217;t tried three venues of contact previously.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Lefkowitz</title>
		<link>http://www.sfsmith.com/blog/2004/09/22/howard-dean-is-a-spammer/#comment-458</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Lefkowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2004 21:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is weird.  I unsubscribed from Dean's list after the VA primary, and never received another e-mail from them again.  (I later subscribed to DFA's list.)  So it's not like they have a standing policy of not honoring unsubscribe requests or anything.  And DFA keeps the volume of mail they send pretty low (I receive maybe one or two messages from them a month -- much lower than the daily messages I used to get from the Dean for President list), so calling them "dirty spammers" is probably a bit strong.

To clear up the relationship between Blue State and DFA: there are a lot of new companies that were formed by the diaspora of Dean tech people after the campaign, among them Blue State, CivicSpaceLabs, Political Technologies, and others as well.  I've talked to people from Blue State before and they are not scuzz buckets.

I'd tend to agree with Joe that it's probably just an oversight.  As someone who runs a mailing list myself, I'd want to know if people couldn't unsubscribe -- having people on the list who don't want to be there does me no good and causes me lots of heartburn -- so I'd say it's worth making the call to DFA and seeing if they can't straighten things out.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is weird.  I unsubscribed from Dean&#8217;s list after the VA primary, and never received another e-mail from them again.  (I later subscribed to DFA&#8217;s list.)  So it&#8217;s not like they have a standing policy of not honoring unsubscribe requests or anything.  And DFA keeps the volume of mail they send pretty low (I receive maybe one or two messages from them a month &#8212; much lower than the daily messages I used to get from the Dean for President list), so calling them &#8220;dirty spammers&#8221; is probably a bit strong.</p>
<p>To clear up the relationship between Blue State and DFA: there are a lot of new companies that were formed by the diaspora of Dean tech people after the campaign, among them Blue State, CivicSpaceLabs, Political Technologies, and others as well.  I&#8217;ve talked to people from Blue State before and they are not scuzz buckets.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d tend to agree with Joe that it&#8217;s probably just an oversight.  As someone who runs a mailing list myself, I&#8217;d want to know if people couldn&#8217;t unsubscribe &#8212; having people on the list who don&#8217;t want to be there does me no good and causes me lots of heartburn &#8212; so I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s worth making the call to DFA and seeing if they can&#8217;t straighten things out.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Rospars</title>
		<link>http://www.sfsmith.com/blog/2004/09/22/howard-dean-is-a-spammer/#comment-457</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Rospars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2004 19:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the record, we do not own or operate the email software that sends Democracy for America emails. If you're having a problem unsubscribing from their list, you should send them an email at blog@democracyforamerica.com or call 802-651-3200 and they will be able to help.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record, we do not own or operate the email software that sends Democracy for America emails. If you&#8217;re having a problem unsubscribing from their list, you should send them an email at <a href="mailto:blog@democracyforamerica.com">blog@democracyforamerica.com</a> or call 802-651-3200 and they will be able to help.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave-O-Rama</title>
		<link>http://www.sfsmith.com/blog/2004/09/22/howard-dean-is-a-spammer/#comment-456</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave-O-Rama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2004 07:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hee hee he.

This is why I don't like people who believe in things too much.  They can't see the trees for the forest.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hee hee he.</p>
<p>This is why I don&#8217;t like people who believe in things too much.  They can&#8217;t see the trees for the forest.</p>
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